Welcome back to “The Valuart Podcast”: a weekly appointment with art, crypto art & technology.
In this episode, we talk about the crypto crash and the downfall of all cryptocurrencies: is a manipulation by the big whales? We continue our discussion about a new experimental social media project called Loot, which brings people, stories, and words to the center. In the second part of the podcast, we talk to Jonathan Felix, an NFT collector who managed to grab the Bored Apes.
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the valuart podcast do not adjust your
sex ladies and gentlemen i'm not eddie
he is gallivanting around the world and
he'll be back next week me and izzy are
covering for him but don't worry we will
seamlessly transition into an interview
he did with joe
who's a board 8 yacht club owner i
believe but he may have sold and gone to
live in the caribbean so that might not
have happened
um izzy do you know where eddie is do we
know where eddie is i i actually didn't
catch where eddie is but he's definitely
somewhere interesting so he's going to
have to tell us next time
mysterious man mysterious eddie that's
that should be his new name mysterious
eddie so two introverts doing a podcast
now if that isn't a used case of nfts
i don't know what is one of the best use
cases i've seen
so
i think a good place to start i just
have coin market cap open
in front of me now yes and if i
oh
my gosh
it is
red red red red red red red red 20 25
down
i have found
i found a green one and there is a green
one so selena no even the mighty solano
is down
oh because until yesterday it was
up okay
in the last 24 24 hours but apart from
that oh and from the protocol i don't
know what neo protocol neither i haven't
checked that one out
but other than that i'm yeah down to
number 60 70 the more they're all i know
what's happened
and that's something that i i actually
um you know because
i always um write my newsletters towards
like um sunday and monday right
and in my newsletter you're gonna see i
was like oh the market is thriving right
like it's
it's going so well it rolls wasn't it
yes it was
exactly it was going so so well
um and and i wanted to ask your opinion
today mark what you think about this
crash i think i it's like been
manipulated in my opinion like the
market because
what a coincidence with el salvador
right and bitcoin yesterday and
everything crashing so
i don't know i feel like it's kind of
been manipulated yeah well
like you you front page news i think the
el salvador was front page news on the
mainstream press so yeah however
fleetingly that it's going to be worth a
few thousand isn't it on bitcoin
um
i was reading it there's quite a lot
there's low liquidity on the exchanges
so a lot of the big whales are selling
taking profits
that's just cascading across the market
and that's partly
why but i don't really understand why
there's so much enthusiasm so much
excitement about el salvador
it pushed up the prices and now it's
crashed it must be people taking profit
i guess absolutely
the reason why
i i think it's something
yeah i i think it's manipulated kind of
you know
from like you said the big whales but
not like whales like regular people like
us but the huge whales
then you know also
yeah like the i think i don't know
and i i think there's definitely
something political behind it um and
then you see also these days suck right
with the uni swap
labs and also with coinbase now uh
there's been um
also some tweets this morning about
coinbase
going into detail so after the the dip
you know um the president was actually
pretty he didn't take it too bad
actually he he tweeted that they they
bought the dip
so
he he was pretty he took it with his
philosophy let's just say that exactly
el salvador definitely bought the dip
so
they didn't take it that bad you know
so even if it was manipulated good for
them yeah it's always good to buy the
dip you know so
you can see the positive side of that
uh and then other than that uh
you know talking about sec
and uni swap this morning uh brian
armstrong on twitter
um actually wrote a lot about
his relationship with sec and what's
going on with coinbase so we'll be
seeing something interesting there too
is this following on from the xrp
yes this is the yes the sec case the sec
i call it sec how do you call it and
what do you know any more details on
what they are what's happening or what
what the
case is is this a case against coinbase
possibly yeah so it started out with you
know we've heard about sec lately a lot
um and they
just last week it happened with uni swap
labs they wanted to regulate
um the crypto world right
it's been like that since 2018 they want
to regulate um all cryptos so now
they're really looking at the major
exchanges so they're looking they
started looking at uni swap laps and now
they're looking at coinbase but we'll be
seeing more of that definitely so the
sec is
i know xrp has been in their headlights
for a couple of years hasn't it and
there's
there i don't know how that is at the
moment but i i saw that polkadot might
be in
advisors as well and some other
platforms which is
is
is it is it worried should we be worried
is he
so the fact is that already a month ago
um chairman gary genser had already been
talking about how you know sec no matter
how decentralized um d5 projects are he
mentioned that he you know the agency
agency would be able to regulate them
so that is definitely their goal we'll
we'll be seeing more of them not in
other d5 projects but
um
you know like i mentioned in and also my
newsletter uh also in 2018 the crypto
lawyers
you know they're already prepared for
this so i don't think we should be too
too worried and worst case scenario is
that we might sing
and an exodus right of many projects
to other countries and that would just
like be worse for in my opinion for
a u.s economy so that's my opinion what
do you think mark i think short term
it's not great
it's obviously going to put people off
coming in it's going to lower the prices
there's going to be a lot of food is it
i think long term
the space has to have regulation of some
sort or it doesn't if it will have
regulation of some sort so
long term
it will weed out a lot of the trash i
think somebody's in parties will
bite the dust unfortunately
i think yeah but long term
from what i've read i think that there
will be need
to be some kind of regulation and this
will help it but short term it's not
good
that's my yeah
and an educated opinion on that
yeah no i definitely agree and you know
the fact that
it's not you know an industry that's
that mainstream right now you know like
just now
a lot of people are starting to get into
crypto this might scare them off a
little bit so i definitely understand in
that perspective
but i guess in these cases you know it
only time will tell
but definitely
definitely agree with you we'll see
but uh always going to keep that
positivity only time will tell
i'll leave it there and only time will
tell for
the next
talking point
cardano so
um i don't know if you saw about this so
cardano it all-time highs incredible
fury almost about cardano it's going to
10
10 before christmas 15 and then
it dipped and something's gone
potentially wrong so i'm going to read
a couple of tweets
so the bulk of the criticism was about
cardano's so-called concurrency issues
on the recently launched alonso test net
essentially
difficulties around multiple users
interacting with the protocol at the
same time so that makes sense
i read a few there's a couple of tweets
i found interesting because people
seem to love cardano or they seem to
hate it it doesn't seem to be any middle
ground and there seems to be a lot of
altcoin nationalism about these projects
and some of them call out from this so
there's a tweet from um anthony sasano
he's got 120 000 followers on twitter
and he's an angel investor
interestingly he's an
ethereum educator which might have
something to do with it
and his tweet was
seriously six years of peer-reviewed
research and a 90 billion dollar plus
market cap later and the first dap on
cardano can't even do con current
transaction processing
also known as the very thing you need
for d5 i don't know
anything about the alonso test net in
i don't think this is good news and we
can see that in the price yeah
cardano community is rallying obviously
um i don't know
if he said anything yet
what do you think
have you seen this are you
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i i have and um don't get me wrong i
i've loved the cardano project but uh
these days i am discussing whether to
move all my uh cardano on another
project so this this has been a thought
of mine in these days actually were you
now first before the news of the the
test net problems or i've been deciding
it like over i would say sunday on
sunday so
pretty near the news but just um also
looking at the market cap and everything
you know a project that i'm thinking
about moving it towards and i already
have invested in this project but i just
like kind of want to put more in it is
uh the one i talked to you about so
elrond network e-gold yeah so i think
i'll be moving it towards that just
because i see a lot of potential in it
but not that i wouldn't move that i'm
not going to move back to
um you know my dear ada in the future
but i just want to see how
how things are going also the new
releases
because like you know it is an important
point and you can see also in the prices
right now i mean there's been a general
crash for all tokens
in the moment
on your lron project you should check
out a website called marginal revolution
and there's a guy named tyler cohen
uh t-y-l-e-r-c-o-w-e
looking at it right now i know he's he's
an advisor so his marginal revolution is
kind of his he's a bit of an economic
guru he's very famous he's very
respected but i know that he's advising
on elrond
he i don't know what his capacity is
but he if he's an advisor or consultant
but i think if he is in as an advisor or
whatever his role is that's a good sign
i bought my first eagle towards february
and it's just been uh also on twitter
it's just like a great community and
project and it's not like a project that
is you know you see all these projects
that are on twitter like led by hype by
the team and everything
instead of this project i really see how
they don't like to hype their community
too much they just do their things they
they have a roadmap they respect it and
i really love it to be honest have you
checked it out mark i knew that this guy
was into it and i it's been at the back
of my mind to look into it a bit more
but no i'm not familiar
you you should
so the cryptocurrency market is doing
lots of things that it does but
meanwhile in nft land
there is
oh my gosh yeah and people are bidding
19 million on a board at yacht club at
southern beach and yeah
no no
no worries in an ft space have you seen
any interesting projects or any i crazy
i have i have mark and i wanted to ask
you if you've checked out too
uh the loot project
um have you does it ring a bell object
yes bye
explain more
yes by dom hoffman creator vine
uh that one is exploding
um i don't know if you've checked it out
you
like you've seen it on twitter and
everything just it it
so to your eyes it just looks like
um either black background or white
which is like a list of words
right oh i saw this okay i was on the
open sea
on yes
today
and i saw this and did i and i just
you're like what is this
what a load of what is
the list of random
like i was just checking and
i had a spare moment and i i just saw it
and then i didn't think any more about
it
i actually got a message from a friend
yesterday or the day before telling me
the world's ending people are selling
random lists of words for 100 they're
not that random
well can you explain yes exactly so i
and that was kind of like my first
reaction to
you know
during one of our last episodes we were
talking about um
the rock right that was being sold like
rock nfts and we're like oh my gosh like
what is like going on
um but
loot is actually
you know initially i had the same
impression too but it's actually pretty
cool um so it was when was it it was
like last friday tom hoffman creator
vine tweeted about
this new project and
he did nothing then either than just
like list a few details and
a link to a contract and that contract
lets you create this list of words right
um so
what is this list of words
so
men not wait let's forward let's not
forward let's go a little bit back um
after he tweeted this
you know how many were reproduced at
least eight thousand
in three hours so we've got an open sea
just like blessing
so these loots are like eight traits
of these supposed like um creatures
characters
i would say they call it like the
adventure gear so the first one should
be like a a weapon the second um body
armor and so on so every trait is
different in
these nfts that are reproduced right
and what's cool is that other nfts
that are
let's say
reproduce already like artwork
they can't be read by smart contracts
whereas this one can
so people can actually transform this
into something else and kind of like put
a value on that so you you've if you go
on twitter right now you can see that
out of these lists of words people are
actually like creating characters like
some artworks and some people actually
even recreated a currency out of it so
there is a utility behind it and what's
cool about it is that you can actually
like
give space to your imagination that's
like kind of explained like what i
understood and i think it's insane i i
have one here so it corresponds with
what you said
a ghost wand of enlightenment a divine
robe a silk hood a grim bite plated belt
of power plus one shoes chain gloves
amulet bronze wings so those are
the
items on the list correct yes those are
the items people make nfts of those list
items or anything really that can be as
creative as they want
exactly and there's like some people
that um
you know are actually going to be
creating some series out of these with
these characters
um so
in my head like of course you know they
have like these armors and like some
things that
kind of bring me back to the medieval
um so i can like see
uh
these kind of like i don't know even
some i can see like all these characters
and like their armor kind of like having
battles and maybe turning it into a game
supposedly with a play to earn game you
know there's just like so many things
that i was like thinking that they can
do with this
um what do you think do you like after i
told you a little bit about it what what
do you see in terms of potential well
the floor price is nine ether so there's
definitely some financial events um i i
i'm gonna have to look into it more on
the lootproject.com it says loot is
randomized adventurer gear generated and
stored on chain stats images and other
functionality are intentionally admitted
for others to interpret feel free to use
loot in any way you want exactly
open to interpretation i would have to
look into it
exactly
i know i didn't i didn't um also because
like i
i believe and this is what i understood
somebody like if i
misunderstood please comment below
um
i think you need to like have some dev
skills there right
i definitely would not know how to
transform that into a beautiful piece of
art or
um you know like a series or anything
like that unfortunately i don't have the
deaf skills
um
speaking of which i would love to study
that a little bit if i do find time uh
but
so i think that you do require a certain
degree of deaf skills to do that would
be cool we could create like our value
art um you know characters and do like a
series
maybe we do our podcast like with our
recreated
like i don't know
characters out of that
but but we have to learn more it seems
it seems
complex and beautiful at the same time
exactly yeah you see it it seems to go
it seems to go into like you said gaming
play to it it's gonna it's going to be
part of the gaming movement
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that's that's where i see it going
definitely gaming uh metaverse
um so
i i don't know like
but definitely i understand i guess
about it next week with let's try and
explain it to eddie next week oh my gosh
like
i i really wanna know about it maybe
eddie already bought it
he's like yeah i already have my bag of
loot like
yeah sure
he's he's loaded up
um i just said so we'll talk about that
again this week there was something that
so
i don't know if you saw this but
vitalik
bhutan isn't
quite ready to come on the valuart
podcast um i'm sure he will you know
in due course i'm sure he will
the next best thing is he did an ama on
twitter
um i missed it
and so it was only to the people he
follows so that it's like 200 220 or 30
people he follows
open invitation to ask him questions and
uh it's easy to find but i'll put the
link in the blog
and
there was something it was
i don't know once you get into his mind
you're probably not going to get out of
his mind
he's obviously an incredibly
um
another dimension of intelligence
he follows some very good people so the
first person to ask him a question was
elon musk and he asked him what is love
and then
vitalik in response to that i thought
but and then they spoke about
people asking questions about
the nation-state technology family
values fame like all of these good
things but there's also quite a lot
about blockchain ethereum
and that so i've taken a few questions
from his ama
which may or may not be interesting they
might i don't know so we'll see if
perhaps we can see if you agree with
vitalik is he okay
yeah so hit the one of the questions so
okay
which i don't know who posed these
questions i didn't write it down check
it out on twitter
which ethereum use case case has
surprised you the most
what do you think his response to that
question guys oh my gosh there's so many
use cases i mean you can build so many
things
what's the craziest thing at the moment
we just spoke about them well yeah all
the nfts i mean who would have expected
that
then another question so this one
there was loads of vocabulary that was
just oh this guy so
what privacy preserving technology do
you think will be the most widely
adopted
by
the majority of netizens in the next 20
to 30 years
his answer was i expect zk snarks to be
a significant revolution as they
permeate the mainstream world over the
next 10 to 20 years
zero knowledge proofs so instead of it's
like the schrodinger's cat of
cryptocurrency and so you can prove
something
okay by not
revealing the information so if you
wanted to sign into a website for
example i think
instead of giving all your details
okay you could use this this zero
knowledge proof way
to do anything but without actually
giving any of or revealing any of your
details to
i kind of like she's asking for this i'm
kind of confused so i'm gonna have but
does he like write about this because
i've been like looking into his blog
lately
he must have written about this right
yeah and on on the ama he mentions
it quite a few times in answering the
questions
zero knowledge proofs seems to be where
his
mind is some of his mind is at the next
question is because
i've taken the plunge
no
yes yes yes i still have to read it but
i have read some experts on it
um so so i think if we're going to talk
about the metaverse i don't know if the
viewers don't know this is
if you read an article about the
metaverse they mentioned this before no
crash
verse was
coined from this book so i can actually
read the first paragraph where the word
is used so hero's not actually here at
all he's in a computer-generated
universe that his computer is drawing
onto his goggles and pumping into his
earphones
in the lingo this imaginary place is
known as the metaverse
hiro spends a lot of time in the
netherlands it beats the out of the
new story
so i love it that's that's uh neil
stephenson's
first uh description of the metaverse on
twitter someone asked vitalik what he
thought was the metaverse how do you
define the metaverse metallic
he said
as far as i can tell people use it to
refer to either the internet plus a
super immersive virtual reality
or the internet plus a shared state
so objects that can be moved between
platforms
and then he speaks about ethereum being
used for that second part okay so not
too in fact his is his vision of the
metaverse is not too dissimilar to
yeah
so do you see well of course there is a
lot of chat also
um like on
web you know 3.0 do you think that we're
already there with ethereum do you think
that that's going to be like dominant
protagonist i i'm not
anywhere near
experience enough to know the answer
that it will play a part i think that
it's
a lot of the platforms now
so a lot of the gaming platforms a lot
of the metaverse platforms and ethereum
and the next blockchains which
can make nfts and
make it all work
will be part of the initial phase that's
true i think
i think more players will come into the
game i think there's going to be a big
battle between the the bayern moths of
facebook as amazon and google and mm-hmm
oh boy yeah and how they play the
decentralized things and how like roblox
and fortnite and
how are they
where are they going to choose to go are
they going to choose to side with the
big giant so are they going to go with
all the with the ethereum and all the
blockchain developers like i think they
will play a part in it but initially
of course ethereum has to play a part
because
at the moment yeah exactly
has just proved that it's not so easy
although maybe
the solano is there i was about to say
that
i was just about to say that
and you know i've never even um
i missed out on kind of on
uh
do you go like i call it solana but i i
actually didn't invest in a time ago
because not that i don't know i didn't
see that much value in it and now i'm
kind of like now i do
and i'm kind of eating my hands but
i i was just thinking about the other
day like this is i've always thought
like cardano the main competitor of
ethereum
right but now i'm starting to really
look at celina like i don't think you're
alone in that as well
i think a lot of people
uh missed out on it but
i guess we're still in time
i'm looking at that uh
market cap but i don't know just like
investing it right now is kind of scary
for me just because of the growth it's
had right but then
that links to another we'll do like one
more question from the dalek because
that links to it because
one of the questions this is a good one
i think
and one we can all understand
if you would assess in terms of
legitimacy a crypto project for
investment
what would you look for
what would you check to make you feel
reasonably comfortable it's not scammy
well what do you look for and then we'll
see if what you look for compare is
similar to what vitalik recommends
oh me what do you look for in a crypto
project is it well definitely i i mean i
look first at the value of the project
and see if it's something that i like
and that i envision in the future
because all these projects you know
um
i think that they're gonna be building
like
they're gonna be our future right
um so i look at definitely the utility
um then i look at the team and the
communication of the team
uh like i mentioned first i don't like
those ones that hype too much
uh it kind of scares me right because i
really see it as a pump and dump
so i kind of like stay away from those
ones and
definitely the community
so
these are things that i look like i i
see it kind of like a 360 degree and
they're all things that intertwine
with one another
so if i find a project that has like the
perfect balance of all these factors
then
you know i'm ready to to invest in it
what about you and whatever what if it's
well i think your answer is better than
vitaliks although vitalik did just have
like two sentences on twitter vitalik
says find projects that are trying to do
something meaningful
so the world would be better in a way
that normal people can appreciate
if the project succeeds and that has
sound economics
it's not all propped up by short-term
money
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printing yeah i think your answer is
better
thank you
thank you well definitely like uh
well definitely i mean i
yeah i want
a project to like you know be better for
for our world
but that kind of like goes back to like
i said i i envision if i envision our
future it's definitely something that
needs to be doing better um so yeah what
do you think mark
enough about like oh to me these
questions
what about you
totally the same i think
in the short time that we've been doing
this podcast the most important thing
i've taken from it in terms of what
could work and what couldn't work is the
use case
it has to have a function and i think
we've seen in the past
again in since we started this podcast
really how
a few months ago you could
mint
an nft and sell it and you didn't even
have to have a presence
really you could just create something
and in three months now you have to have
an awesome roadmap you have to have
awesome art you have to have
secondary
utility it has to be worth something
outside of this value chain and i think
you know i don't think it has to be
world changing as much as vitalik says
but like you said it has to have a
function it has to have another use case
um long term and i
exactly no meme coins
yeah in nfts that's what i look for
and in
crypto
like you i think team's very important i
think
very extreme
yeah longevity
the oh and the name it has to have a
cool name that's true like
i was like the other day i was like why
didn't like i don't know even i was
thinking about the name solano it was
like solana solana you know in italian
solana means like when you get uh really
like sunburnt i thought it had something
to do with the sun okay so don't get me
like
in italian it means like when you get
like a really bad like sunburn i think
there is a an analogy or something a
lesson in there somewhere
exactly
i'm feeling burnt now that i didn't get
it cool name basically basically i just
if it's got a cool name if it's called
something like compound or
just reading some of these names on the
coin market cap theta fuel holo nem
zenfin stacks harmony you know yeah
celsius
i love celsius one of my favorite what
celsius i picked that random what is
celsius oh you know you don't know
celsius
um so practically
on celsius it's kind of like a bank but
it's not a bank so
it's like the decentralized bank right
so i you can do a lot of things like you
can um oh my gosh how do you i can't
remember in english if you say borrow
lent i'm having like a senior moment
here
so practically if you play library you
borrow a book
exactly yeah okay perfect yeah
sometimes i get confused like in italian
everything
so
with one of the logos of um the main
statements of celsius is debank yourself
right
and practically
i love it you can get like their
t-shirts and all their merch and celsius
is one of like the most stable
projects i see out there
so practically
months ago i wanted to
invest
in more crypto
and i thought okay but why should i use
my money when i can use somebody else's
money to invest right
and make more out of it
so
what would you do usually because i know
what to say
no not in that sense no wait wait wait
okay so
i looked to ask at you know one of those
um
lending firms or money when you want to
you know invest in a project of yours or
anything i didn't even ask for like a
large sum of money but they didn't grant
it to me
and i was like
whatever
and so that's when i went to
celsius
and practically you have to
of course
guarantee that you're going to give them
back but like the
the interest that you have to like pay
them back gradually
like is nothing compared to the like the
other firm so you're just like earn like
not only do you get with the investments
but when you even pay pay them back with
your tokens right
you don't lose anything
you just like earn
so i don't i don't need like the other
banks
in real life you look like
i explained that really really bad guys
but um yeah really well you've de-banked
yourself it sounds like a crypto loan
shark
yeah very low interest
exactly very very low interest i i
debanked myself i was able to do other
investments i couldn't at the moment
and
all's going great
are you looking at it right now
yeah well it's actually one of the few
which is
up
in the last seven days
yeah yeah celsius is like one of the
ones that you'll see like it never
crashes it's always pretty stable
and i think that's just because a lot of
people are debanking themselves and i
think they've got a fair amount of the
liquidity there um because the fact is
that even
you can um even decide to give them your
tokens
and get um some you know returns in that
sense in in terms of uh so i i do that
too with some of my tokens for example i
bought like celsius back in january so i
do that with like my celsius tokens i
just like leave it there and
yeah just even mistaking if you bought
back in january you are quids in yeah
yeah no uh celsius was actually my first
first investment like one of my first
investment no my first one was like
ethereum yeah because you were looking
for
you found it because you were looking
for a
a use you were looking for a service and
they provided a service which you were
looking for
exactly and i think it's like from
celsius that i started having like a lot
of fomo in the crypto space because like
i told you i started getting like really
into crypto
uh one year ago bitcoin was my first
investment right
and then and i invested back in
september last year and then i got
there was like um do you remember
towards december
that it was just like started like
spiking that's when i converted my
bitcoin into ethereum
and then from there
i bought uh celsius
and then i
bought um then i started buying eagles
and then like everything just like
happened from there so
that's kind of like my
my experience and uh yeah are you gonna
be getting like a loan from celtius now
so that you can buy my crypto
if i was
younger with
no i'm not going to be here today
i'll tell you what i have looking at
though if you if you want to know what
i'm thinking about in terms of
possible
places to
to
to invest his engine
and if they've got a new nfp coin it's
been a new mft blockchain affinity and
engine are i think i've said before i
just
although fashion is becoming part of it
but i think gaming is where
the immediate future lies and engine are
one of the leading blockchain game
builders a lot of play to earn games on
engine and this new affinity is
it brings the
nft the ability to move nfps between
games and
it's all very new and i think i need to
look more into it but i think yeah i'm
looking at it now just study for the
next like week or two i'm gonna study
engine and affinity i think cool then
you're gonna have to talk about that on
the podcast then yeah i i'm looking at
it right now but i think
it's quite funny because on coin market
cap it is
one place behind celsius so they're in
the same kind of
i kind of missed it
because i see a lot of yeah
yeah and look into celsius too i mean i
just
love it do you bank yourself
well
i i i would love to
be bank myself
yeah
no it's like
awesome on that note
is there before we pass over to eddie
and
josh and
his
board ape
is there anything else you'd like to
to mention or say
any books or anything you've read this
week
or i
i think you know we've covered like a
lot of interesting topics i can't wait
to look into also these like infinity
this week and chat about that in one of
the next episodes
this week i i kind of like was reading a
more technical book so uh for you who
learned you know last time we talked
about like knowing how to read the
charts
so i picked like trading technical
analysis master class master the
financial markets so it's like
a little like a lot more technical it's
actually like some somewhere behind
there i my bookcase is still kind of
like empty because i'm bringing my books
little by little
um can can you grab it and give us a
screenshot
it sounds like is it
is it
is it is it kind of made
made simple or is it full-blown for it
complicated for investors kind of
terminology or is it
i'm gonna have to read it again i'll be
honest just because um
i think i don't have like enough
like finance background but i really
like that the chapters like really go
it
like whether you were already in finance
or not i think it's like a kind of um
oh gosh i have like the
the name in italian
like
it kind of like goes over
um concepts that if you knew them okay
it's good for you just like going over
them again uh but if you're a beginner i
guess you're just gonna have to like
read it a couple of times just like let
it kick in
but but i like it but another
a book that actually should arrive today
and i'd like to show you guys next week
is
uh bitcoins and blockchains by anthony
lewis uh so i'll be reviewing that one
next week i'll get it today technically
i like it so it's it's good to to be
able to build i need to read some of
these technical books build some of the
foundation around
the blockchain itself or yeah the
blockchains themselves
um excellent exactly i'm reading one of
eddie's
recommendations yes how is that one
going
at the google bus
and the end of absence which is about
what we were talking about the other
week about the the generational cutoff
between internet and no internet
okay claiming what we've lost in a world
of constant connection so i need yeah
i'm going to read your recommendations
when i finish these and get more
technical absolutely yeah i'm just
trying to get more technical uh lately
because it's funny i used to read
before like the last year i used to read
like a lot of
a different genre right so i used to
read uh hermannessa
a lot and just a lot of like philosophy
so i really like went from like
philosophy so like on the blockchain
lately how does that feel i know it was
going on because like i've done
i've done something similar i haven't
gone from like philosophy but i've gone
from like
1970s fiction and
beaten
in into yeah into this and
it's quite nice to be reading something
totally different do you feel like you
you've made a good decision
i do
uh but sometimes of course i do miss
reading even like um
the old genre that i used to read right
um if i didn't work during the day
then i would probably have time to read
everything but i don't unfortunately uh
but
you know better than me right
now
why next year you think i'm gonna be
living off my crypto like on an island
is that the goal
oh no i mean i think you know even if
you were to become like extremely i
don't know you but if i would get bored
like doing nothing during well i mean
reading during the day
i don't know
but i think i always have to have like
something right
to do so
yeah it was great having a chat mark
let's move on to
their interview with eddie okay so
welcome man what's up thank you for
inviting me here
it's great
cool i'm
really excited to talk to you uh first
how do i
address you are you joffrey yeah y'all
play like what is your do you go by like
your twitter handle or
my name real name is
jonathan felix so
i my nickname joffrey is like a mix of
them
the first two yeah okay cool letters is
giants and felix
and together is joffrey
joffrey okay cool and do you so you
actually answered
my
and you're from norway
and you're currently in your way all
right
yeah nice
nice how old are you man because i have
to actually know before i can see if i
can accomplish this
yeah okay yeah
good good age yeah nice all right um
well yeah like i said welcome um uh
this is a bit different for the podcast
i usually have like a conversation with
my co-host first and then we have
somebody on um to talk about tech nft
art like it's always it's always
something different you're
you caught my attention on twitter
because you you your avatar is one of
the apes and uh
i'm just so fascinated by the culture
around this phenomenon that i wanted to
talk to somebody firsthand and
i don't know something about your your
profile and your collection excites me
so uh
let's start with
how you got into possession of your
first
ape and then we'll talk about your
collection in general okay so um i first
started with like nfts back in march and
was first with the nba top shot and
i did that for like yeah until like
april may
and it was quite
like i didn't even notice of that
because they bought a yacht club they
dropped like around may but i didn't
even know about the drop until like
there my friend was like these shapes
are so cool
and
at the time the price was around like
three ethereum i was like this is so
expensive i will like never have the
money for this so i like i passed it off
and like
in my mind i was like i want an eighth
but it was like no where there
financially to be able to buy one but so
you were trading top shot already at
that point how how did you find out
about top shot like what was your first
that was just a in a discord group my
friend was like these highlights are so
cool and
i bought a package and i got hooked like
right away were you are you a fan of the
nba do you follow the nba not really but
the top shot actually like made
my interest in the ama that's exactly
their intention i think because the nba
is actually behind top shot right there
their
main they're like one of the main
partners in and pushing that so i'm sure
that's what they want is like to reach a
new audience of
a fan so that's pretty cool but so you
were trading topshop for a little while
and then the you you somebody mentioned
the apes and you were like oh three
that's insane like i'm not gonna drop
three so what was the cost of like a
pack on top shot at that time and what
were you comfortable trading with so the
cost of the pack was like
the premium packs which i ended up
getting it was like 200
so it was that as well was quite much to
me but uh
i you know you made some great money in
the start at least with the mba shot but
then the market kind of tanked like
after a while so i had like find new
ways to interact with energies so your
your approach to
to the
concept like when you were first
discovering nfts was for speculative it
was for investing basically you just
wanted to make money on investing and
flipping so when did you buy something
other than top shot what was the first
the first piece actually maybe i'll just
open up your collection and see if we
can we can talk about what's in there
but but tell me about the transition
from top shot to other other enemies
well i saw the huge potential in nft so
i guess i opened up twitter and i just
started searching about everything i
could what gave you that impression
though like what was the what told you
like okay you need to invest in this now
was it
twitter and discord it was just my guess
you know after like the concept of this
was just like so uh it was so amazing
you know so i knew that
okay tell me about that because i'm i
definitely agree with you i definitely
think the concept and the and the
technology of nfts is incredible for
artists specifically but for you as like
a as like a collector what excited you
in the beginning
well i was like yeah
cool
i like the own things you know and
and if the things are cool i like to
own them i like to show them off to my
friends and
like the concept of just owning rare
items it's
just human nature to want to have
did you collect anything before nfts
were you collector of like sneakers or
like trading cards or anything yeah i
was a bit in sneakers i have a
huge collection there as well i think
there's a there's quite a bit of overlap
in the in sneaker culture too like the
nft especially the pfp projects like the
the rarity and the community aspect and
sort of the the
i don't know like the bragging rights to
having something and being like yo look
what i've got like i think there's a lot
of overlap and actually bobby hundreds
who who owns who's the founder of the
hundreds who just did a collaboration
with the board at yacht club that to me
just kind of verifies that ideas like if
the hundreds which is a streetwear brand
that sort of operates on scarcity is com
is
partnering with board apes it's like
okay yeah we see an overlap here so yeah
so that's that's cool like i i think i
think there's definitely a lot does the
community
matter to you as much like does it does
being in the discord channel or like
being part of the twitter hysteria like
excite you
yeah especially in the
board api's club you know yeah because
the community there is so
great though is the community worth it
enough to not want to flip and sell your
if you still have your ape right yeah
right um
at first i was when i first got my
apples like maybe i'll sell this in the
future but after
having it for a few weeks i don't know
if i'll ever be able to sell it no does
your ape have a name
no it doesn't have a name no have you
considered is that not a thing that you
do with the apes you don't name them
it's not a part of the culture yeah i
think you do
i've seen
people i've seen people on twitter like
really take to their ape as if it's a
part of their identity like one guy's
ape was featured in forbes and he was
like stoked about it he was as if he was
featured in forbes it was like really
cool um
but
so what is that like or what were you
surprised by the community aspect of it
by by the twitter community and the
discord community yeah i have like maybe
200 followers on twitter before i joined
the
wordpress club and again like 500 or 600
more after i joined and how do you
describe this to like your parents or
your friends that aren't in in this
world
you know it's um i invested a lot of
money in my so
my parents were like
what
but
oh you told them
yeah i told them yeah
so so i'm not i don't want you to tell
me unless you want to tell me how much
you invested for but like i imagine it's
a shitload yeah yes
13.6 13 ethereum
yeah jesus
okay so but did you build your way up to
that with other nft projects or did you
okay so that's right take me through
that take me through the like the the
life cycle of your
like how you started from top shot to
your first ape and then uh yeah i just
i'm just curious how you got your how
you got there how long did it take
it i started with uh
my other i had some crypto savings from
nba topshop and some other stuff around
one ethereum i think
so i just took it into my opens account
and i started flipping and
the turning point was
the percy penguins have read about them
yeah i i have heard about them and i
heard i've only heard negative things
though is that is there a reason for
that
yeah
it's a
well it's a bit drama you know who the
owner and stuff but yeah what happened
i don't really know but uh
he had some skit he had done some
sketchy things in the past you know okay
but the penguins uh you could mint them
for
0.04 yet here i think okay
and then i minted 14.
so you
how did you find out about that series
before actually like i have not seen any
series available for minting
everything's secondary for me because
i'm not like in the in the know i guess
how did you find out about pudgy
penguins
in a group a group chat on discord okay
and called the nifty nation okay and um
it's like yeah no ads but
and they'll get like info about uh what
types of uh nfts are releasing and when
they release and
and did you find that from top shot from
your friends that you were you were
trading with on top shot or that you
were there you know if i
find him on
twitter that wasn't there i found on
twitter in some other discord community
okay so you you find pudgy penguins you
meant 14 of them and then
that
did you at what point did you flip it
like did you get out at the right time
or was it
pretty much got out early you know yeah
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but i held them to something are they
still worth something now or is that
like yeah yeah yeah the three ethereum i
think okay that's not bad i guess i mean
you make them at point zero one four you
said
that's crazy so you earn a little bit on
pudgy penguins and then that was sort of
like your stepping stone towards an ape
yeah and when they dropped what were you
because you said you weren't you weren't
going to spend three ethel on them when
you first saw them but like what what
was it like
at the point when you bought it when you
bought the first ape
it was like really relief you know yeah
i have been in this space for a short
time but the whole time uh like the
atheist you know a good goal for me you
weren't interested in trying to get one
of the punks or something
no because i don't think i'm not that
big fan of punks so you care about the
art you have you do have some preference
towards the art
yeah but more about the community as
well because the board community is a
bit better than that
how would you define the the punks
community like what took what turned you
off to that
i like
that of course the developers are not
like
doing that much uh stuff with it it's
just like punks you know
and it's
i don't know i don't get the good vibes
can you can you tell me about the road
map and what excited you about the the
ape project that was like um like why is
it different than the rest of them and
why do you think it's so successful well
of course they had like they were the
first you know or um
the punks were their first like crypto
collection but the board raves were like
the first to take it
to like a membership you know
so
yeah i feel like it's
you know their highlight conventions in
the series and stuff like it's
yeah they're doing a lot yeah they are
what are they promising that hasn't
happened yet that you're excited about
like what is on the on the horizon uh i
don't they have
they're coming with a road map 2.0 but
they have like the auction at crisis and
yeah so these first so after that they
will like
launch a new roadmap with the news of
the future of the boarded black club so
i'm curious if this has sparked or
piqued any interest in you for for art
more like collecting traditional art
maybe or is it just like these digital
pieces and these communities that that
interests you
no for sure i have like my
viewing art has changed and
i don't know i don't have any
physical art yet but
if i find found something i like i would
consider to bite more now than okay i
couldn't before yeah did you see the
damien hurst project the currency
yeah i
won the the raffle but you got i was
like yeah but you didn't buy the piece
no i was like ah this is too much
yeah that was 2000 right
yeah yeah
so that was the time before the perch
penguins
i don't know but it was before i had
like so much ethereum so i can like wow
yeah so you would tweet it at somebody i
did like crawl through your twitter uh
feed
shamdu
yeah who is that and like why is that
why is that guy so important to your nft
endeavors
he was the owner of the group i was in
and ah the nifty nation yeah yeah okay
okay cool so he's like sort of a a
thought leader a pioneer in the space
for you and uh kind of guided you how
big was the group when you joined it
um
we were about
80 90 members
oh wow it's actually smaller than i
expected
yeah so is he still do you still like
follow his kind of instinct and gut as
he comes with it like do you believe in
salon or solano is it what it was that
was called this new plan yeah i actually
bought
a beer last night yeah it was against
the land drop yeah yeah was my first
solana investment yeah
okay cool
cool
i um
i haven't bought anything yet i haven't
i haven't collected anything yet i've
been kind of waiting kind of
apprehensive i'm actually working on my
own series right now which uh is
kind of it's intended to be a bad
investment um it's kind of commentary on
the culture because so i come from
software i spent like 10 years in
software and
what i found in in tech in silicon
valley specifically is like everybody
moves so quickly and doesn't really stop
to think about like what are they doing
and why and is it helpful is it hurtful
is it
useful you know i mean
i and i i kind of
felt gross in those 10 years and i
didn't really understand why and
recently i've been reading and learning
about the psychology of economics of
like infinite growth economies of like
these tech industries and i i've gotten
really cynical but i don't want to be
just cynical so i'm trying to do a
series that will comment on this this
kind of culture but in a way uh trying
to
shift the narrative or change it in a
positive
make a positive um commentary on it not
our constructive criticism that's what
i'm going for yeah yeah um but i don't
know like
how
if you were to do a series of your own
let's say
like i don't know if you're into into
creating art or or creating uh digital
stuff but
if you were to do a series of your own
what advice would you have for somebody
starting theirs in terms of promoting it
in terms of getting it in front of an
audience my tip would just be to you
know twitter is an amazing space yeah if
you are active enough um i believe that
if you have a good enough quality
project
people will pick up because everyone is
looking after like the next big thing
you know yeah so people are icing back
and if your art really stands out you
you will get picked up by some people do
you think that this is a bubble that's
inevitably going to pop in at some point
in the future like soon yeah i i do
think so um at least most of it you know
there are so many
bad projects yeah that are released and
people still make money but just the
fact that rarity tools exists
and that it's able to aggregate these
projects and show you what's coming
tells me it's like okay we've already
started to reach probably the peak but
what do you what do you think happens
after that do you think that the the
collectible space survives i mean
obviously like the punks and the and the
apes will survive this because they're
bringing utility to their
projects but do you think all these
other projects go away and they we stop
seeing new ones i think most will have a
hard time but
like if the internet crashed you know
yeah yeah in 2000 you know then it will
come back
yeah
some projects will have a real trouble i
think it's funny to hear you talk about
the dot-com bubble you weren't even
alive yet
remember remember in 2000 like i
remember yeah
yeah um that's that's really i think
that's a great uh analog though i do
think we're gonna i've been talking to
my co-host about that i think it'll pop
and people will be like ah we
should have seen this coming like of
course it was coming but the internet
didn't go away after 2000 like it just
you know
pivoted and people started to understand
the utility so when you when you aped in
actually maybe you could define the term
apedin for me because i've seen it used
online and i've seen it used
what it feels like to me is that it's an
impulsive purchase because people are
using it for anything not just for apes
right it's for like any nft purchase
correct so
define it for me
yeah you said it's
quite right you know and you
possibly just to buy in or you don't
need to impulsively because i have my i
have like thought about buying my eight
but like you just
you get in you know dude you just
like how much research do you do before
you collect something because your
collection is fairly large you've got
like what 200 pieces or something
um some of it i do a bit research but
the other one i just if i see that just
buy it okay because i see
other people are buying it so just jump
in okay and like what are some of the
pieces that you i'm going to open up i
want to forget screen share i'm going to
open up your collection and i'm going to
ask you to like point me let's talk
about this so this is recently listed so
you you actually saw this earlier the
rude boys one looks really cool
and i was like oh maybe that will be my
my first one i like the one you got but
how much time did you spend thinking
about this before you bought it um
actually that artist is
norwegian as well oh cool i heard about
him by my smaller prince so i was like
i'm gonna buy some of his art yeah and
do you
so this is something you would hold then
yeah okay
it says like it's listed it's not me
that
just listed it you know
oh so you do i'm sorry explain that to
me so it's listed you don't yeah but you
see if there's like more owners so it's
listing from other owners you can see
there this yeah
so collecting things on openc is not
actually owning them i don't yeah you
own them but
there are 20 pieces of
that one
oh oh oh i thought these i thought
what
how are they non-fungible
how are they unique
well it's limited to 20. so okay
okay so there's 20 holders of something
yeah something like this yeah yeah yeah
wow oh 16 owners okay did not understand
that taught me something new so
wow i'm gonna take a look at this then
because that that excites me that you
can maybe get something
i like this piece a lot tell me about
like here's a good question this escher
piece right here which is obviously not
an esher but i saw you tweet about this
you said that this art is fire and i i'm
a huge fan of of escher the the og
escher and this is inspired by so what
do you like about this and how long did
it take you to find this and what what
sold you on it
uh my friend just sent me and linked it
and i was like
i don't know i'm just
i'm not that good at describing art but
i just like you know the
piece you know had you heard about uh
m.c escher before uh this or do you know
who that is who the artist inspired this
is oh that's really if you like this i
think you would really like his work
he's like one of my favorite
uh artists he's actually dutch i live in
the netherlands so i went to the esther
palace uh last year and got to see some
of his works in person and i have a
piece behind me you can't see it but
it's over there but i think if you're if
you're into this you should check out uh
esther's work it's very
mathematic
and artistic he's a great symbol for
this sort of space uh the nft space with
this like the digital art space i think
i'm gonna maybe use that as a um a
reference point in the future so
what is the most impulsive thing in this
collection that you bought or one that
you kind of regret are there any that
you regret or would you even hold them
yeah yeah
these pixel titties perhaps
yeah
uh it wasn't my greatest play what's
been the biggest loss for you so far
um
do you know
no i don't have track but
uh because you have so many pieces i'm
just gonna i'm just
scrolling through just checking things
oh you have
are these different than fudgy penguins
are these a ripoff of budgets
yeah party humans
this is kind of confusing so these zunks
look like the crypto punks
and
i mean it's just pixel art obviously but
they're not related right they're
work-offs yeah so what what was the what
was your
why did you invest in those did you feel
like it was just an impulsive way it was
not uh i didn't think through it yeah
yeah
man some of these buys like those
raccoons as well i actually know about
bottom but no i mean the art is pretty
cool
yeah but uh i don't
believe in the project to be honest but
so you bought the raccoons you looked at
the project road map and like the
community after the fact
yeah
yeah so they were selling out so i just
like
tried to buy one but yeah
what are some of the things you have to
be concerned about when you're investing
in these like what are some things that
happen
within the like are there signs in the
discord or servers or on twitter that
you're like ah this was just this was a
bad idea because people aren't actually
in it for
the long or or they don't really care
about the project
well yeah i'm usually in the discourse
where they are very like yeah if you
it's this is worse you know to
if the owners are trying to work for you
know just
get your money and
just dump the project have you been
invested in projects where that's
happened yeah yeah what can you can you
name one or two and like what the
process is like the recent one was
something called boneheads okay
and
they really really is like one week ago
and
it was like it's supposed to be a
a mix of nfts and like passion brand
fashion brand yeah i think
but uh after so out the jet owners just
dipped from the server
and
you they jumped in but you didn't even
you haven't like heard an announcement
in one week after starting out so and
have you been like attempted scammed or
fished or has anybody tried to like
steal from you in these servers in these
chats well i get like uh all the time
like but in discord but like i'm not
like actually been trying to get scammed
but
just bots you know
i'm i what is your opinion on like gary
vee's involvement in this and be friends
i'm not invested in these friends but uh
i like gary he brings more attention
into the space you know
but you don't feel like gary vee is sort
of operating like a fluid flexible rug
pulling machine like he's
kind of like he'll pop into a discord
server and like
you'll see his handle and then people
like oh gary v is here and then
everybody flocks to that project and
then
it's like pumped and then it's gone has
that happened for anything that you've
been have you seen like i mean he's also
supported some projects that i think
needed it so that's not it's not all bad
but it seems to me like
kind of shady
well yeah the a lot of
the space is like almost all about the
pumping almost because
you rely on big influencers um talking
about the project and if they start
talking you know the project just goes
wild you know yeah so it's part of the
enemy culture you know to pump stuff but
do you think that that's going to be an
ongoing part of it or that will go away
after the bubble burst i hope that goes
away yeah i think it's better if this
organic
growth not just
yeah influencers coming in and pumping
projects yeah yeah i think it's kind of
crazy that like mark cuban made his
fortune in the dot-com bubble and and
like at the perfect time like made all
this money sold his company that company
lost all this value and like whoever i
think yahoo bought it or somebody bought
it for for like a ridiculous amount of
money and then lost it and then here he
is again in this
like with nifty gateway and uh and uh
kind of just doing all this the same
again uh
did you see the famed ladies squad um
project uh story
yeah i heard uh i'm i'm not like read
into it fully but i have seen some of it
it was like
i think you got a new owner or something
there was a two there was allegedly like
an all-female dev team that was behind
it and then after they sold out the it
was revealed that like it was actually
not it was completely fake and uh the
whole community kind of felt taken
advantage of and then these two women
took over the project or like kind of
reclaimed it or stole it or something i
don't know i think it was a rug pull and
then they they were like no that
we're not gonna let this be a rug pool
we're gonna actually take over and
continue bringing value we're actually
having them on the podcast tomorrow so
i'm excited to talk to them but yeah i i
think the space has a lot of scammy kind
of fishy things going on and that that
to me is
my big issue with
with the avatar projects is
there's no there's not a lot of
substance behind them and people on the
outside that are not just involved not
that are not interested in investing and
making money and maybe as artists or or
collectors want to be part of something
that's like going to stay around for a
while they're seeing this and going
that's no that's gross i don't want to
be involved in that when actually
there's a lot of value in nfts as a
technology and there's a lot of value in
these communities that are popping up to
support the digital arts in this way but
i don't see a lot of overlap in them i
see mostly crypto people investing and
mostly are people staying outside of it
except for the artists that are doing
the series
and that are kind of
taking advantage of the moment which is
good for them but it kind of it kind of
makes me sad that there's so much
credit predatory behavior in the space
yeah
totally agree
yeah
how has your life changed since
since march like tell tell me what like
are you still living at home do you have
like plans to move out or you like you
have a car and are you doing a
lamborghini like what's going on no no
i'm not going to battle i'm forgiven but
uh yeah i still live home yeah for the
moment i have one year in school left so
nice i will say at home by then that
if the ap is
worth more like in a few months i
i'll maybe sell it and yeah do you want
to do anything with that like let's
imagine for a second that you sell the
ape for like i'm gonna be
like a little bit idealistic here and
say you sell for like
you make like 7 million on it let's just
say
what do you do with that like what do
you do going forward you keep investing
in a space or do you like what do you
what do you like to do
what do you do outside of outside of
this
well i would just uh of course buy a
house you know yeah so i have some
security and then
uh yeah i would
probably not invest ultimate in the nfcs
but i will still pump something intense
because i love to collect yeah yeah but
do you have anything like that you'd
like sort of like a dream hobby passion
that you would invest in as well like or
what are you are you studying like
you're in high school i assume right
yeah yeah so you have one year left
before before university were you going
to university are you going to go to
university
i'm not planning that yet no i'm not
sure yet but we'll see yeah
can you even concentrate in class right
now with all this going on well do you
have your twitter open like the whole
day like you're just like scrolling
through and
watching watching the updates i have
twitter and discord opened almost all
the time yeah so it's hard to follow in
class but yeah like why why bother like
why why why be here i'm making so much
money on this internet
i'm not listening to you
do you uh have you talked to any of your
teachers or your like classmates about
it about like what's going on
um
my best mates know it but uh are they
involved too have you gotten them into
it uh no i don't think they fully
understand it
they have like some nifties but they're
not like that invested you know okay
do you uh are you eyeing any metaverse
projects
um
like the central land or or the sandbox
are you invested in any of those are you
looking no i'm not i'm not even like
yeah i'm not even that sure what those
are you know okay about them but okay
i'm not uh jumped in i think you
you need to you need to take a look at
some of these because they're they
i don't know i i feel like the
the internet is blurring the lines of
you know what is digital what is reality
like what is physical and with like ar
glasses and these sort of
virtual reality technologies emerging as
like practical applicators i think
you're going to need a space for your
nfts like to keep them you know to put
them on display for your friends to meet
and talk about that yeah yeah what is
your um
has the
addition of all these internet friends
sort of changed how you view your
friends at home and like your
relationships at home like do you value
those friendships online more or less
than the ones you have at home
well i i
value them a bit less you know because i
have not meet them but
yeah yeah i'm sure i met some nice
friends you know from all over the world
you know have you done any like video
chats with people in your group or like
have you talked to people like over the
phone
no not the phone or
calls but just discord
oh but like yeah yeah
yeah and uh do they they feel important
to you right i imagine like you spend
you spend hours with these people
talking like
are you are you sharing personal like
stories or details of your like
day-to-day life with each other or is it
more about the yeah yeah we talk
personal stuff all the time so that's
cool cool that is cool
you have any plans to meet meet up with
these guys in in real life
yeah we have some plans you know to
meet up like next summer yeah oh nice
are there um
uh i with the within nft nation or nifty
nation is there like um like a
conference planned or like you guys
gonna do like a beach house or something
no no that's not planned yet but like a
few people in there are interested in
meeting up yeah
that's cool man really cool i think
that's pretty much everything that i
wanted to to talk to you about i'm again
i really appreciate you taking the time
to meet with me i know you gotta get to
class soon but um i don't know if this
is like the old man in me but i want to
say like
don't
don't be too reckless with the earnings
that you have so far hang on to some of
that because you're 18 like you
could your 20s is going to be like the
the most exciting period of your life
try to use that money to make the most
of your 20s i don't i don't think that
that you don't need me to say that but i
just feel like i should um but i'm
excited for you i'm really excited for
you and um
congratulations on on being this aware
and paying attention and if you have any
advice for me on like projects to like
to invest in like throw my way let me
know because i'm definitely trying to
be more uh pay more attention these
these past couple months with the pro
the podcast has really shown me like
there's a lot of potential here and and
i'm i'm interested
yeah i'll let you know if i find
anything cool man cool and uh if i'm
ever in in norway again these
coordinates are actually from nordcap
but if i'm ever in norway again i'll uh
i'll hit you up and maybe we can hang
out you're in oslo yeah nice nice okay
cool
well thanks again for joining me and uh
we'll stay in touch yeah sure cool man
uh do you wanna do you wanna drop any
handles or like mention any projects uh
before you go
uh
yeah my and drop my twitter it's
joefe33 cool all right well everybody go
follow joey and uh keep an eye out for
uh his collection
all right man have a nice day uh
talk soon yeah watch out

Meet your hosts:

Eddie Contento
Host

Izzy Godina
Co-Host

Mark Fielding
Producer